You had some narrow escapes, but then you and your colleague got back to England, and you left it for 39 years before you went back to Holland to see these Dutch people. Tell me about that.
The Dutch Policeman met us at the airport and he took us to his house, we stayed five days with him and he took us around places we visited the war graves at Oosterbeek and the museum in Oosterbeek at the [Hartenstein] Hotel and it was very moving to go in there and see all the things that happened during in the Arnhem operation.
What did you and the policeman say to each other when you met after such a long time?
Well, I knew him and he knew me straight away we shook hands and put our arms around one another for a couple of minutes and then we started off and got to his house and met his wife and we had five lovely days with them.
Did they still have that wardrobe in the bedroom?
Oh no, no. They was living in a different house then. Then we moved on to the Dutch farmer and we stayed with his eldest son Everet and then we went to visit the old farm where the Dutch farmer hid us in the house there.
Did lots of memories come flooding back to you when you came to these places?
Oh, definitely, definitely it brought real memories back to us and a few sad moments and what we really cared for was the Dutch farmer and his family because if we’d have got caught and they’d have got caught and they’d have shot them you see. And we think they were very brave people.